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    Philip

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    Their Hollow Inheritance

    Post  Philip on Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:28 pm

    This an excellent site for countering Missionary claims. It is called "Their Hollow Inheritance" and lists the multitudinous errors of the New Testament and how they have a Flawed understanding of Judaism which they Claim Christianity was the base.

    http://drazin.com/
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    Re: Their Hollow Inheritance

    Post  Yehudah on Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:55 pm

    I don't know R'Drazin, but the website looks legit. Thanks for the linkage Philip!!


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    Re: Their Hollow Inheritance

    Post  Arik on Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:36 am

    Did you pick this up yet Phillip?

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    Re: Their Hollow Inheritance

    Post  walker on Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:07 am

    which missionary cults use the psychological indoctrination described in the introduction?
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    Re: Their Hollow Inheritance

    Post  Philip on Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:12 am

    I am sure there are cases like this Rabbi says or he would not have said it. However for me, the most severe psychological weapon the Christians use is this. Although NOWHERE in the Torah is it required to believe that a certain person is the Messiah and a Demi god or god himself to be in good standing with Hashem.....Christianity says one Must believe this and have faith in this non Torah Doctrine OR go to a Burning Hell and tormented for ever. Now slip that in with the loving Jesus message. Beleive in Him or when you die you will be treated worse than the any Nazi ever treated a Jew.
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    Re: Their Hollow Inheritance

    Post  Arik on Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:15 am

    Problem is, xtianity centers on the Messiah. Judaism centers around G-d. We don't make a religion out of Messiah or the Messianic age or any MAN We don't make a religion out of Moses or any of the prophets and in fact even if you took any of them away, we would still have Judaism, same cannot be said of Xtianity, you take away one man (jsus) and there goes their religion.
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    Re: Their Hollow Inheritance

    Post  Arik on Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:18 pm

    From their Hollow inheritance:

    Chapter 15:


    Another "pious fraud" technique used when Jesus' biography was being compiled was to attribute to him, miracles and anecdotes recorded in the Hebrew Bible. The following examples illustrate this ruse:

    The Hebrew Bible relates that before she gave birth to Samuel, Hannah had been childless.173 And to show her gratitude to G--d for blessing her with a son, "...she brought him to the House of the L--rd,..."174 "...along with three bullocks,..."175 to be sacrificed there.

    Mary was also said to have been without children prior to the birth of Jesus,176 and that after she bore him, "...they brought him up to Jerusalem to present him to the L--rd...."177 "and to offer a sacrifice...."178

    In both narratives, the families were greeted at the Temple by holy people. Eli the High Priest received Samuel,179 and "...Simeon, a man righteous and devout,..."180> together with a "prophetess,"181 were on hand to sing the praises of Jesus. Interestingly, her name is given as Anna182 which in Hebrew is Hannah!

    Even the description of Jesus' spiritual progress is curiously similar to Samuel's:

    "Now the boy Samuel continued to grow in stature, and in favor with the L--rd and with men."183

    "And Jesus increased in wisdom and in stature, and in favor with G--d and man."184

    John the Baptist, supposedly Jesus' cousin, is represented in the New Testament as being a reincarnation of Elijah the prophet.185

    The account of John's birth was derived from the chronicles of Samson:

    Both their mothers are described as being barren, and childless186 when an angel appears announcing the forthcoming birth of an illustrious son.187

    Samson's mother was warned that she must "...drink no wine or strong drink,..."188 Similarly, the angel said that John "...shall drink no wine or strong drink,...."189

    The reason for this abstention in both instances were identical:

    "...The child [Samson] shall be a Nazirite to G--d from the womb...."190 "...he [John] shall be filled with the Holy Spirit from his mother's womb."191

    The closing statements of both narratives are also strikingly similar:

    "...and the child [Samson] grew, and the L--rd blessed him."192

    "And the child [John] grew, and became strong in the spirit,...."193

    The feasibility that Jesus brought a dead man back to life is dramatically reduced when one compares the details of this report with a miracle performed by Elijah the prophet:

    Both episodes begin with the words:

    "As he drew near to the gate of the city, behold,....194 They, then both continue to relate that a widow's son had died,195 and subsequently was resurrected, one by Elijah, and one by Jesus.196

    Each, in turn, then "...gave him to his mother."197

    Elisha the prophet fed a large group of people with a small quantity of food consisting of first fruits, twenty loaves of barley, and fresh ears of grain. His disciples at first expressed disbelief that this would suffice for so many people. However, not only was it enough, but food was left over.198

    Jesus is said to have fed a large group of people with a small quantity of food consisting of seven loaves of bread and a few small fish. His disciples at first expressed disbelief that this would suffice for so many people. However, it is claimed that not only was it enough, but food was left over.199

    The Hebrew Bible informs us that the prophet Elijah abstained from all food and drink in the wilderness for a forty day period.200 The writers of Jesus' biography knew that this feat clearly proved Elijah's unique holiness. Therefore, with a few strokes of their pens, billions of people during the past two thousand years were falsely misled into believing that Jesus also fasted for forty days in the wilderness!201

    The writings of Josephus, published prior to 100 C.E. were also a source from which the compilers of the New Testament freely drew upon.

    From his autobiography, we read:

    "When I was fourteen years old, I was commended by everyone for the love I had for learning. Because of this, the high priests, and learned men of the city [Jerusalem] came often to me to enquire about the accurate understanding of points of the Law."202

    The New Testament is mysteriously silent about what transpired during the first thirty years of Jesus' life. Therefore, the insertion of a similar passage insinuating that he was a recognized child prodigy ideally filled this void. Thus, we read:

    "When he was twelve years old, they went up according to custom [to Jerusalem],... After three days they found him in the Temple, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions, and all who heard him were amazed at his understanding, and his answers."203

    Josephus recounts that during the Roman war against Jerusalem when escape by a Jew was nearly impossible, the following scheme was put into effect:

    "And now Simon, thinking he might be able to scare and delude the Romans, put on a white robe,...and appeared out of the ground.... Those who saw him were greatly horrified, and remained motionless...."204

    To add dramatic effect to the "resurrection" story, elements from Simon's adventure were blended into it:

    "...an angel of the L--rd descended from heaven, and rolled back the stone,....his clothing was white as snow. And for the fear of him, the guards trembled, and became like dead men."205

    After Josephus betrayed his people, and deserted to the Roman side, he tells the following:

    "...I saw many captives crucified; and I remembered three of them as my former acquaintances. ...I went to Titus, and told him of them. He immediately commanded them to be taken down....Two of them died under the physician's hands, while the third recovered."206

    Similarly:

    "And with [Jesus] they crucified two robbers, one on his right and one on his left.... Joseph of Arimathea, a respected member of the council,...went to Pilate, and asked for the body of Jesus."207

    It is certainly peculiar that on separate occasions two prominent individuals both viewed a set of three men being crucified. Both then went to a Roman official to plea that his friend(s) might be taken down. After their request was granted, in each case, two of the crucified men died, and one survived.

    In the New Testament's account, the two robbers died, and Jesus survived by means of "resurrection."

    In addition to this, the very name Joseph of Arimathea which in the original Greek of Mark is Joseph apo Arimathias208 was taken from the genealogy of Josephus. There, he informs us that his grandfather Joseph begot Matthias. The Greek text of which is Josepou Matthias!209


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    interesting

    Post  OregonAngel on Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:02 pm

    I've Read that Romans didn't kill robbers like those that were crucified with jman. Crucifixion was a special killing device for political instigators.
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    Re: Their Hollow Inheritance

    Post  Arik on Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:22 pm

    OregonAngel wrote:I've Read that Romans didn't kill robbers like those that were crucified with jman. Crucifixion was a special killing device for political instigators.

    Well it depends on the which part of the new Twistament one is reading to decide exactly WHAT for example Barabbas was.


    The scene where Barabbas is released instead of Jsus is famous, but inconsistently described.

    Mark 15:11 - The chief priests get the people to demand the release of Barabbas; his crimes are insurrection and murder
    Matthew 27:20 - Priests and elders get people to demand the release of Barabbas; his crimes are unknown
    Luke 23:18-23 - The people demand Barabbas’ release; his crimes are insurrection and murder
    John 18:40 - The people demand Barabbas’ release; he is described as a robber

    Just one of many of their contradictions so who knows. Rolling Eyes

    If they can't get that straight, who is to say what exactly the people on the cross were.


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    Re: Their Hollow Inheritance

    Post  Yehudah on Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:52 am

    The funny thing about 'Barabbas', is his name. Bar means son, so Barabbas should really read Bar Abbas - son of Abbas.



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