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    NON-Jews touching the Torah

    Post  Arik on Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:21 pm

    IS it proper during Torah service for a non-Jew to touch the Torah while it is being carried? Someone asked me about this and I honestly didn't know the answer. I don't think it is a big deal if someone is going through conversion. But if it is just a non-Jewish visitor what is your thoughts?
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    Re: NON-Jews touching the Torah

    Post  Yehudah on Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:13 pm

    We have a goy who's been coming to shul for over a year.... it hasn't been an issue. The Torah isn't open, it's covered.


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    Re: NON-Jews touching the Torah

    Post  Arik on Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:09 pm

    OK. Someone asked me and I never tjhought of it as being a problem myself, but wasn't sure of other people's opinion.

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    Re: NON-Jews touching the Torah

    Post  neoinarien on Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:24 pm

    Yehudah wrote:We have a goy who's been coming to shul for over a year.... it hasn't been an issue. The Torah isn't open, it's covered.

    Which leads me to wonder: what about outside of a service? May a gentile handle, read, etc, the Torah outside of service?
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    Re: NON-Jews touching the Torah

    Post  Yehudah on Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:08 pm

    Not proper or respectful at all. Once it is touched by a non Jew it's considered pasul for use. Because non Jews typically don't understand the honor due the Sefer Torah, not mention it's inherent holiness, it's scroll is not to be touched.

    Sorry if this offends, but it's the truth


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    Re: NON-Jews touching the Torah

    Post  Arik on Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:03 pm

    Neo, even when we read from the Torah, we don't actually touch the letters hence the yad pointer we use.
    In reality, what are the chances of a non-Jew coming across a Torah scroll? It's not like they are just lying around in someone's attic.


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    Re: NON-Jews touching the Torah

    Post  neoinarien on Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:11 pm

    Responding to both...

    Ohhh, I follow. You're talking about the scrolls. As opposed to, say, any old copy of the Torah laying around Amazon or the box stores. I'm following you better now.

    Not a concern on the 'offensive' aspect. Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus. Wink
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    Re: NON-Jews touching the Torah

    Post  Yehudah on Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:39 pm

    "an old copy of the Torah" just laying around on Amazon?

    lol!

    Torah scrolls cost into the $80K range, but any shmuck can purchase a copy of the Chumash or Tanakh for $30.

    ...just laying around...

    lol!


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    Re: NON-Jews touching the Torah

    Post  neoinarien on Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:36 pm

    Yehudah wrote:"an old copy of the Torah" just laying around on Amazon?

    lol!

    Torah scrolls cost into the $80K range, but any shmuck can purchase a copy of the Chumash or Tanakh for $30.

    ...just laying around...

    lol!

    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=torah&x=0&y=0
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    Re: NON-Jews touching the Torah

    Post  Yehudah on Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:56 pm

    Yup, told ya.

    ...got at least 4 copies at home, including a full set of Talmud Bavli, Shulcan Aruch, and countless volumes of other seforim.


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    Re: NON-Jews touching the Torah

    Post  neoinarien on Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:16 am

    So I am presuming that the special scrolls are regarded differently than the 'normal' torahs.
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    Re: NON-Jews touching the Torah

    Post  Yehudah on Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:13 am

    Torah is Torah, but special reverence is given to a hand - written scroll. A sofer (scribe) goes to a special school for years to learn the halachos and proper way to pen a Sefer Torah.

    It's actually a Halacha to write your own Torah. The problem is that it must be written properly - and 99.9% of us aren't skilled enough to even attempt it.


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    Re: NON-Jews touching the Torah

    Post  neoinarien on Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:27 am

    Yehudah wrote:Torah is Torah, but special reverence is given to a hand - written scroll. A sofer (scribe) goes to a special school for years to learn the halachos and proper way to pen a Sefer Torah.

    It's actually a Halacha to write your own Torah. The problem is that it must be written properly - and 99.9% of us aren't skilled enough to even attempt it.

    If you saw my handwriting, you'd understand why my wife doesn't let me sign my own name to just about anything.
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    Re: NON-Jews touching the Torah

    Post  Yehudah on Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:01 pm

    lol!


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